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Ep. 16 Quantum Leap in Corporate Consulting via Intuitive Insights with Jerome Boisard

Welcome Jerome, who has a world of knowledge, stories, & nuggets.

We'll go through not only Jerome Boisard's journey into healing and being a part of the Londyn Heights Corporate Healing...

And also his thoughts on:

  • Google

  • Tesla vs Google

  • Intuition in business

  • Who's actually driving the business

  • Semantics around opportunities

  • The quote "expect the unexpected"

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Welcome, everyone we have, I don't even know how to say your last name we started was okay Jerome was our I have been connecting with Jerome for over two years now almost weekly. And so excited to have him on London heights healing corporate Healing Team. And I thought it would be beautiful. I got the download last week to start interviewing all of our team to share the amazingness that they are and allow people to really get to know us. So Jerome has quite the extensive background. He's also extremely intuitive, he will pull stuff out of like, like sometimes you might just be walking throughout the day and you have a random thought and you just brush it off, and you don't even think twice about it. You don't give it any energy. And then all of a sudden, I'll be talking to Jerome like three days later. And he's like, Oh, I'm getting this, this and this. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, yeah, I did have that, like random thoughts just come in and pop out. It's so good. And just grab a little nuggets. And he's also phenomenal at sharing stories. And he has a beautiful voice because you know, he's in the UK. So we love the accents here in America. So yeah, that's wrong. Why don't we talk about I know your journey is long and wide. But like the business journey, the business journey.

Jerome Boisard 2:43

Hello from London. So just to say I'm French and half German, so the accent might be mixed. So anyway, what accent you feel you hear? It's okay. from the business perspective, my journey has been varied, to say the least. I've always been very curious and very excited by discovery and learning. So I've been working in several different businesses, but always drawn towards helping others or changing things. So the reason one, I'm qualified like as an osteopath, in 2010. I've been practicing this activity mainly in the last 12 years, but also keeping open other activities I had before because I'm qualified as an environmental engineer with a speciality in waste management and sustainable development. And also, I've been coaching, helping developing businesses, buying, selling, transforming optimizing structures, and worked in politics a bit. So that that's a sort of quick approach to the fact that I'm really curious and really open to discovery, but also have dipped my toes in a lot of things. So sometimes jack of all trades, but also mostly sort of renaissance man approach with knowing a lot of things about a lot of things, which allows me to have quite a bit of a strategical and tactical point of view, which helps a lot in coaching, either personal coaching or business coaching, and most of the time, both of them because I work on the side as a business coach, and I say on the side because my man, osteoporotic work is taking most of my time. But most of the people I coach, business wise, we always end up seeing the link between their personal life and their business life and helping them to cross some thresholds that were not visible at first. And that's quite interesting because suddenly people can find what blocked them or what helped them, and then move on, on certain things. So that's it portrait approach.

Bethany Londyn 5:08

No, but it's so true. And just see where this goes. Yesterday, I was talking to a friend that I haven't talked to in a million years from who are who used to work at Google. And she was saying how at Google, it's almost like, everyone's just there for the job. And to get ahead, they aren't really there for the product. And there's not a lot of connection. There's a lot of, let's say, faith, like the face, the forward face, it's not really what's inside. And then, in hearing about the CEO, I don't even know his name right now, the Google, but that he is very much not wanting to connect with people, right? So I'm like, Oh, well, that makes sense. Right? He keeps everybody at arm's length, probably because he's also getting hounded by people left or right, wanting things, which I understand. But it really felt from what she was saying that like the ripple effect, trickling down is that like, zero connection throughout? You know, the company, it's all about numbers, profits, where are we going? Yes. Any thoughts on that? I figure because we're talking about the business owners and how it's like their personal lives or how they are is really trickling into the business.

Jerome Boisard 6:28

I think there are two interesting things with the example of Google.

Google is a business that grew with a culture that became something else. And I know a few people in Google too. And for me, when I connect to them, and I look at the structure, we have a teenager business that talks like a teenager, but acts like a very old person, and almost sort of DVLA office with a lot of rules and mechanical things. So there is a bit of a schizophrenic issue in Google, where on one side, it's supposed to be the creative place on earth. And on the other one, it's basically a modified ad ad agency that makes its money on ads, and, and looking at numbers and analyzing data. And the people working here, the one I know, around range from the total dreamer and want to change the earth with Google Earth approach and stuff like that, to the people fascinated by data. And I think this mishmash, is creating an interesting traction that can give us the interesting moonshot projects that have, but also a very, very heavy admin orientated structure. And therefore, probably why the new CEO has this profile. Because I think the machine is winging winning, sorry, the machine is taking over the data churning. And therefore the humans inside might suffer because you might have more dreamers than in the normal business. So it's, it's probably a difficult moment for the structure, which will find its way, but I think they have the CEO that deserves right now. It might make people unhappy, but it's pretty much where things are going to that's my take on.

Bethany Londyn 8:30

Yeah, well, and I'm just that I mean, that's such a beautiful perspective to like the machines taking over. I just wonder if, you know, someone like us were to work with someone and really pull the heart out. And the connection piece how that would shift the company. I guess that was the vision also that I was having, having having?

Jerome Boisard 8:57

The it's an interesting one, because, as you know, with this sort of work, it's the moment where the person is in, are there ready to see are they ready to accept? Are they ready to change, and it doesn't mean you have to, but you have to be in this position where you think something can happen, and you need to be taken by the hand. And in companies. As you well know, there is the energy of the CEO, but then there is the energy of the company, the sort of spirit of the company, the thing, the story, the accumulation and all that. So I think it's always interesting to come in and then realize which energy has been taking over for the time being. Is it the company that takes express this energy? Like I feel Google is at the moment? Or is it a CEO that expresses this energy? So if we take Are they example we have Elon Musk, we have Steve Jobs, we have people who were above the business in terms of characteristics. We, we don't say, Google, and we forget the name of the CEO, which we do with Google. With Tesla, we want to say Elon Musk that happens to have Tesla and a lot of other things. So therefore, now the CEO is above the company. And this down is quite interesting, because when you come in and have a look, you can feel that very quickly, and therefore know which part you want to help with first. And most of the people don't realize their company has an energy level, or if we push it a form of soul. That is the aggregation in in Latin, the word is egregore. An egregore is normally used for religion, it means all the people praying at the same time in the same direction with the same will. And that creates an energy and energy you can feel, and probably interesting to work on. The thing is, when you come in as a coach and work on intuition, in businesses, people don't really realize that's a part of the business they can work in. And it's interesting to keep that door open, because most of the time, you will then be driven or pushed, or even asked to just work on the ego of the CEO, or the responsible person. And that will short in the situation. The responsible person is not actually the one driving the main energy, not the volcano this thing. And that's what I find exciting, because sometimes you just say, Oh, and this and that, and this practice and this thing, and there's like oh my god, this is what I do to them. Yeah, I don't know what your experience has been.

Bethany Londyn 11:54

Well, and what's also coming up for me is this, that I learned more recently around, I think it's in, maybe it was Ukraine, like in Ukraine, there's not it's not, they don't have the word opportunity, they have the word only possibility. And it's one of the same. So here when we have the word opportunity, and the word possibility, opportunity could have a little bit of a negative context, because it could be taken advantage, which I know I talked about in one of the last podcasts. And so opportunity in the form of being a possibility. And everything comes in from possibility takes you out of the need for competition, which is a lower vibration versus creating out of creation. So when you're creating products out of more inspired creation, which is to me very divinely guided, intuitive, and completely different energetic level versus we need to create something to compete with someone. So that's like a lower vibe. I thought that was really cool insight.

Jerome Boisard 13:02

I find interesting, because I just heard yesterday, a question from someone who is also working through intuition, and the law of attraction and all these sorts of manifestations visualization. This person was saying, if two people working with the law of attraction in mind visualizing for the same thing, who wins? And it was a very interesting question, because for me, it was like the universe is infinite. So they will both will win, because both will manifest and visualize something. But there was this sort of questioning about oh, yeah, if you can basically do a form of weird magic, then you can have what you visualize that if I have the same Will I win? Or will you win?

Yeah, exactly. So it's the same thing with that business thing and opportunity where in business especially in the last 200 years, we have been orientated more and more into very much survival of the fittest opposition competition. Whereas the whole history of humanity, every traces we have is only talking about cooperation and working together and sharing the burden and, and sharing the profits when we can but sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. And therefore, most of the businesses will be trying to find the competitive edge, their competition position, the CEO you feel attacked and feel defensive, defensive. And that is also something in a way you can help we can help with by showing them the real energy behind it, the service they're providing and therefore, what they are sharing with others and the cooperation they can put in place. Businesses are changing and especially Because of the online chain that has been accelerated by COVID, where more and more people are now accepting to share information on video like we're doing now. Now, whereas five years ago, if you did that sort of interview, you would have insisted for us to be in the same room, and physically there, and now operate or joint venture or do things with others, and have more benefit in business and real things from it without having to compete. That's not the only option. It's one of them, but not the only one. And that will impact the work you can do with people who haven't realized that this option is on the table. And therefore the possibility is there. And not just I see an opportunity, I take it and the first and pushing everyone on the way. Yeah, which is interesting, too, because then we can talk about all the male energy that has dominated the last 1000 years. Plus, and that is slightly changing through a rebalancing to a more complex, open world. And that's also a big hope I have of more of the same female energy and bear with me, I'm not trying to define it as strictly binary, but a more cooperative, open constructive energy and not just, I will kill you and I take it all. Which is, which is good, because there is more and more of that in business, slow progress, that still, it's now something that is accepted. I can say that now without being seen as bizarre person, which would have been the case 30 years ago, 50 years ago. And that's also good for the work we do because again, intuitive business coaching is not something that intuitively will be received by everyone. It's like business is serious. I'm a serious person I work on number I crunch data, intuition is for women, and you know, their feel their emotion, their guts, and then eventually end up in special asylums for crazy woman. Summarizing the Victorian times, but this is probably what Victorian times was there is a funny story about asylum for women is that it took almost 20 years for the first nail to be admitted to an asylum for crazy people. The first 20 years ish, were just women with this famous illness that has been invented for women called hysteria, which was the theory that the uterus of the woman was traveling in her body and therefore made her crazy. And a crazy woman was talking what he was thinking about she was opposing men, she was wanting to vote, stuff like that. So hysteria is the theory and it's written on paper, you can check it that the your uterus as a female, Dr. Bethany is regularly taking trips to your head to your lungs to add that makes you crazy. And then therefore, your hysteric that you need to be sicker. straighted in a prison

Bethany Londyn 18:04

compound. Wow.

Jerome Boisard 18:07

So that's the part of the storytelling I like to do just jump from A to B and find different energies on the way. So I'll give you back the questioning.

Bethany Londyn 18:19

Well, I think also what what we do is really getting down to the magic, I know, that's not so much a corporate world word, but getting to the magic and the root of how things are with the owner, or the business owner, or the CEO, or the founder, or the board of advisors, and how that ripples down. Because when you can get to the magic and the inspiration and that spark, then it's a completely different energy. And when you shift that foundational energy, everything else kind of starts to fall into place. I mean, we talked about like, the elephant in the room or stuff like that, that is all metaphorically energy that we're speaking of, or weight on your shoulders, energy. Like everything is energy and the faster quicker that we transfer it to be able to like I can't profit that way like yes, companies have doubled their revenues in like two months by shifting energy, so

Jerome Boisard 19:25

there's a huge it's interesting because yeah, energy in most of the business is limited to power there are key so who is boss who is not, and then money, which is one form of energy, that is easy to count and easy to get and easy to lose, but it's there it's flows. It's what I found fascinating that you can have very, very, very logical CEOs being completely fascinated by people like Sir Richard Branson, who is doing magic all the time. inventing businesses changing stuff, doing stuff being completely what he says he is, which is neurodivergent. He's a neurodivergent is special. But he does stuff like he wants to say, Yeah, I want to, I want to create a company that goes to space. Before that I just bought an aviation company that happens to be Virgin Atlantic, I did Virgin Media, I did virgin banking, I did this and that. And that's it. It happens with magic. And people are fascinated by that, and not seeing that they have the same potential. But for me, that's called kind of magic is in the business world is summarized in Expect the unexpected, but in a good way. Because most of the businesses Expect the unexpected, but in a bad way. So they're trying to do some routine some, and then just that, oh, no, we can't do this nice, you have to exploit the opportunity. But then the magic is sucked out. It's, it's really strong. And because the businesses are not looking at the emotional part of decision taking, they can be hamstrung, they can be limited, and therefore not have the courage. Because the opposite of the courage is not COVID is the opposite of the courage is conformity. And therefore magic becomes something dangerous. In a way, even though we don't, we can't define what magic is. But this is this moment where things happen that shouldn't have happened. But in a good way, because I prefer white magic and black magic. So it's

Bethany Londyn 21:39

Yes, please. Well, and Richard Branson, he definitely had like tons of people coming at him that were like, No, you can't do this. But he was like, This feels good to me. So he followed what felt good to him what he wanted what he desired. And he ignored the naysayers. And sure that there were failures or whatever. But like he found the joy in it all. And I think that is that in itself is magical.

Jerome Boisard 22:06

And one thing I find magical is that we all have that because the magical mindset is the mindset we had and still have, as a child. When we were five, six years old, one day, we were an astronaut the other day and explore the third day, a nurse to take care of a horse. If your parents told you, it's not possible, you would just climb the tree and make it possible. So you can we can we all can, as adults go back to this childish state, and suddenly create, which is what this example so Richard Branson does, he just says, I'm going to, I want to do that, I'm going to do that. And of course, people around with spreadsheets are saying, Oh, it's not possible, blah, blah, blah, and this and that. And this is what I really like about the work I do around businesses, especially helping them to change or purchasing them and turning them around, is that you discover that most of the businesses are LED without vision, or without magic, or without something special that they could do with what they're offering as a service. It's a bit like everyone is setting on the gold mines of their dreams. But not daring to do it, or having too many people around, say, Oh, that's not going to be possible. And it's really strange, because in other places in our life, like dating, for example, we tend to not do that, we would go and meet someone and and just say, Okay, let's see, we won't be sitting there and say, Hello, my name is and by the way, I would like to get married tomorrow. And then we would also have an insurance on our both name and then you will need to like my mother. And eventually, the preferred color of my car is red. And then the magic is gone. So this is the sort of risk taking that I really like because once you ignite it in others, and it doesn't take long to ignite because everyone has it. It's just fear, terror and all that that keeps us away from it, which is normal, our brain is protecting us the brain does not want us to fail or to die. So for some business people losing a market losing a client or having a bad Profit and Loss sheet is equivalent to a form of death. Symbolic one, though sometimes the former fat because they get fired or whatever, or they get a bad reputation and certain businesses reputation is everything you have. So they're not good there, unless they are shown that there is a safe way to go there. And this is where we can help because another way I see our job is to be the jester in the courtyard. The Jester was the person the only person in the kingdom that could say the truth to a king without losing their head straightaway after that. So being a jester is a way to say things to powerful individuals, with them understanding that we are opening a door to another reality without making them change their power or threatening their position. And that's also the comfortable position you can have when you come in and go out of business with an advisory role is that you can play that role. But instead of coming in, like one of these big firms and being saying, this is the new system that will save you, and this is a new spreadsheet that you will fill in, you know that in six months time, you're going to call another business do exactly the same. We're more about Yeah, look, this is Have you seen that you know, Alice in Wonderland, have you taste this piece of cake that makes you make bigger and then have you drank this potion that makes you smaller, and eventually you'll go through this door, but it will go up and down and trial and error. And therefore they can play again, with this childish energy, but in a good way to discover that, actually, they have been they have fear, they have potential, and they could drive this business to places where it hasn't been, and therefore, suddenly, double, triple the income. Not because they did something with a new methodology, and they change the button color or had a new spreadsheet? No, they just say, Wow, I didn't see that. Let's go there. Oh, wow. We didn't do that like that. So let's do that. Yeah. And because

Bethany Londyn 26:31

I think a fresh set of eyes that, especially ones that are intuitive, looking at things from a different lens. So good. Well, I think that definitely shares what you're about, I think we should spend a couple minutes on it intuition and energy healing and how we work, which is very different per individual. But in the way I work versus the way drone works. How do you? What are your thoughts? How do you work?

Jerome Boisard 27:05

The way I work is going back very far, as far as I can remember.

I didn't know at that time, it was intuition. And I know it was work. I don't think it's work actually. But it's I'm a very visual and kinesthetic person. So I see things. And for example, when we work together, you know that I will see things I will describe things, I will tell stories, they're normally quite dreamy. There are things that are not real or real, but they are always touching something in someone else's mind. Because they're just like, oh my god, I see this, I feel that Oh, I can feel what you describe and all that. So very visual, and also very kinesthetic where. And I think this is why I became an osteopath is that through the touch, I can collect information on my aesthetic patient. But when I work with intuition, I can in a way, manifest through my talk the story I tell the vision, I have also a feeling a physical feeling in others, where they can also feel what's happening. So there is this kinesthetic feeling where you can feel the butterflies in your stomach, you can feel what's happening. So there is a strong link in seeing and moving people, which, which is I think my way to view these things. When it comes to intuition itself. If I had to define why or what I see, it's not always the same thing. But it always comes as a sort of vision where suddenly I have something and I keep it in my mind and say okay, this is what I saw. And I tried to describe it. What I tried to do systematically is to stay neutral. So I am here to take a picture like with a photograph or with my iPhone, of what I saw and describe it as simply as possible. Because it's very, very tempting for me as a seer, to try to say oh, and I think it's here or try to interpret or try to deform it. Because I think I know the person on the other side. So I always have this, oh, this is what I'm seeing. I hope it talks to you. But then I stepped back. And stepping back is actually also part of my intuitive work. Because once I stepped back and I in a way it's like throwing a ball to someone and see how their reception the ball like we would play tennis, how you hit it with the racket and then I have another intuition depending on how you reacted to the image I send. So that's the thing, seeing the emotion, transmitting the feeling the physical feeling, and then being as neutral as possible in delivering what I see but also having second or third intuitive reaction depending on how you react which is nice because it gives me also intuition, intuition now Only from, from the air from something but, um, the way you react. And this is something I've been using a lot in several of the professions I've done in emergency services, in extreme sports, in politics, where I could react as we go to others with intuitive states, so feeling things that can't be seen or talked about. And by the way, just to reassure everyone, I'm not reading minds, and I'm not.

Bethany Londyn 30:37

We have like an intention set and a goal set with our clients. And then whatever happens, it shows up as what we,

Jerome Boisard 30:46

what I normally tell people, if that's what I see is what they're ready to share. Because it's a bit like when you want to say something, and you're waiting for your turn, and it's coming up. So it's mainly what they want to share that comes out first. So it's more of an assistance to delivery of a message that they cannot formulate with voice. Is that answer your question?

Bethany Londyn 31:16

No, it's great. I think it gives you give some perspective. And I mean, there have been times when I'm working on Jerome, and it's like, I'm clearing a whole movie scene or a whole movie, I'm like, Oh, you're running through the river and your clothes are ripped, and just trying to, you're alone, you're lost. So it's like, I'm clearing the energy, just calling what I'm seeing, releasing, releasing, releasing until all of a sudden, he's like, makes it home safely into the arms of his family. Like that as a story that might come through. And we just clear until we get the story where we want it. And strategy might come through during that time, too. A lot of times we'll work with clients. And it's like epiphany after epiphany after epiphany, because we're clearing the space, we're shifting the energy. When we clear out the muck. If you think about people thinking all 70,000 Negative thoughts a day or whatever it is, then that clearing allows for new thoughts, new possibilities to come through that are quite intriguing and inspirational.

Jerome Boisard 32:21

Yeah, indeed. And what is interesting is that there is always a spark somewhere, we will stay in Listen, whatever the intensity of light, and that's important to sell to because some people expect a lot each time. You know, that's when the frazzle or whatever you saying the US but Fourth of July fireworks, and sometimes they happen. But sometimes it's the mundane that makes the change is the little thing that is like a cork on a champagne bottle that tops and then suddenly everything goes up. So it's interesting to work a different time and different energies on different people. So your your intuitive childhood energy takes over and you start to notice things. And it's good. Because again, I believe we all are gifted by we all are gifted by Yeah, we all have intuition. Good. 100%

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