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Ep. 9 Leaping to the Trillions with Scotty Schindler

Updated: Jan 27, 2023



Bethany Londyn 0:03

All right, so excited to share with you, Scotty Schindler, the street smart entrepreneur, I do not know this guy at all, I was introduced to him through a friend. And he is phenomenal. He's grown a company Rinette, over 18 years to become an international brand and company that manage over 1.1 to $5 trillion in real estate. So he is now retired and a startup founder very hyperactive is what he's saying. So let's learn more I want to hear all about because that is some big quantum leaps to get to that level. So what are you up to? Now? Let's start with that. What are you up to now?


Scotty Schindler 0:49

Well, firstly, thanks, Bethany, for having me. I'm so happy to be on your podcast and for your audience. And hopefully, we do inspire and motivate a few people to go out and take a quantum leap themselves. So but as far as quantum leaps go, Yeah, look, what I'm really busy with now is something that I never thought I'd do. But I always wanted to, which is write write some books, and really crystallize what my journey was like for, for two reasons. One is primarily for legacy for my kids. So that way, one day, if they start their own company, and they want to have a quantum leap themselves, well, then guess what? They go, What did dad do? Now? I'll either be here or I won't be here.


Bethany Londyn 1:30

Just really the way sorry. Just reading the book,


Scotty Schindler 1:34

read the book, right? Or books, I'm writing a series. And that's the second thing is a bit of validation. You know what Scotty just lucky? Or did the things Scott do? Did they work? And if other people can like them and use them and succeed through the systems that I've I followed myself? Well, that means they worked as well. So the validations that's what keeps me motivated and inspired. Internally, myself right now.


Bethany Londyn 2:00

Amazing. Yeah, one of the questions I've asked people before is what gets what gets you out of bed. So well, like surfing, surfing. Oh, my God. Amazing. I love it.


Scotty Schindler 2:13

That motivates me a lot. I get out of the water for a surf all the time. My typical day is two or three hour, surf in the morning. Come home, get lunch or brunch, then, depending on what the need is for the day, or maybe write a little bit, little bit of book work, go for another bike ride. That's been my daily activity now for nearly five years.


Bethany Londyn 2:39

Wow. Is that how long it's been since you exited?


Scotty Schindler 2:43

Yeah, in fact, what are we? Next week? Five years.


Bethany Londyn 2:49

Wow, congratulations. And so Rena, you ran for 18 years, though?


Scotty Schindler 2:56

Well, it depends on how you look at the story. So I started that journey and went for 18 years, all up. So it was either eight and 15 or 12 years, depending on how you looked at it. So because it took two years to get rented off the ground. So I spent two years trying to work out what to do as a business or a company. That took two years. But I guess that's that's part of the Renier journey. But I didn't start reading it until February 2002. But then I actually sold it the first time in January 2015. So there's sort of the shorter period, if you like of, and then all of a sudden, I stayed on for another three years. And in that period in October 2017. I sold it for the second time. And then I committed to you know, hang around just in case till January 2018. So that's where the the pinnacle. Look at the journey as to how long it exactly was and


Bethany Londyn 3:52

needed do they need to do?


Scotty Schindler 3:55

Well, in the end, I


Bethany Londyn 3:56

chose lucky charm.


Scotty Schindler 3:57

I chose to retire instead of you know, working for a company I found out just so you know that I am a terrible employee. And I'm a much better worker than I am employee. However you want to translate that. But yeah, I thought that I can't work for anyone anymore.


Bethany Londyn 4:14

So curious while you were growing the company, were you surfing then a lot? Yes. Okay, so that was still that was even then your routine?


Scotty Schindler 4:25

Yeah. No, no appointments before 11 o'clock in the morning. Ah, but there was plenty of times where I couldn't go surfing there were plenty of times where priorities came or I was away. Look, I did miss out. You know, it wasn't that perfect. But as a rule of thumb, life had to be balanced, right? healthy, wealthy and wise life had to be balanced. And I didn't mind working hard, but I also had to balance it. And that came as a result of not being balanced in my 20s. So I wanted to be balanced when I started a company. That's why I started a company it was priority one. Sure I want To make some money, but at the end of the day, it couldn't be the cost or the sacrifice of every other benefit. Marriage


Bethany Londyn 5:07

is really common. Yeah, super common that it's like the the weight of the family or the struggle there. It's because when I'm working with Yeah, it's like the wheel or whatever, if you want to look at the wheel of everything, it's so off balance with so many CEOs. And then it's there's such a weight on their shoulders and the stress and it's like, they can't even think straight. Like, but we need you to make fabulous decisions, which my guess is you. I mean, it sounds like you were portraying this balance. And I mean, to go be with yourself and the ocean Be one with the ocean every day. Yeah, like what a beautiful space for I'm assuming clarity. Did you get a lot of thoughts?


Scotty Schindler 5:48

Oh, totally. Yeah. 100%. So sometimes in the surf that you're busy, like, it's busy in the surf. And other times, it's just like meditation. So it can be just you in the water, it can be crystal clear, and it can be sunny day. And it's just like meditation, no one else around you, just you in the ocean. But it's amazing how you, like I said, in deep meditation state, how you think of things and you think of ideas, and you get really inspired and re motivated. And people get that sometimes from you know, walking in the forest, for example, that have clarity. And you know, I got it from the ocean. And some people purposely meditate, they'll sit down and break away and meditate. So I was lucky, I had the ocean and I was competitive surfer. So, you know, there was no such thing as a bad day in the office when it came to surf.


Bethany Londyn 6:35

Right? But like, How long were you out there? You were out there for a while. In the mean, constantly, you're dealing with, you're dealing with the energy person here. So like, this is fascinating to me.


Scotty Schindler 6:46

The other day, I went on a surf trip I just got back from Indonesia surfing. And there was one day out there. I spent seven hours surfing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a long time. Right. So how long do I go for? Well, it just depends what I need, what I want, how good the conditions are. If it's bad, I might just do half an hour an hour, you know, just to go out there and stay consistent stay in the game. You know what, if you don't use it, you lose it. So you've got to go. And I just found it. I find it really cleaning as mentally spiritually, emotionally, physically.


Bethany Londyn 7:23

Yeah, I mean, because even if someone's like hiking or goes to work at class, I mean, they're like, you're active. You're active. I mean, maybe not so much hiking, but like it's like you're you're actively using your mind for all the things but I feel like surfing obviously, there's like a, I believe a part. I have not been able to conquer surfing. So let me just say that for support. But there's like an aspect of being coming one with the ocean and knowing and like feeling like now's the time to like jump and get up and like. So I feel like the amount of presence that's involved in that versus like other workouts or like a meditation, which most people are can barely last three minutes in meditation, let alone 20 daily. Yeah, so did you have like creative things that were coming through when you're on the ocean? Oh, this is how I'm gonna handle this situation. Now. I know. Yeah.


Scotty Schindler 8:16

All the time. All the time that that moment of clarity came all the time. And you know, I have a road bike that I've had so many ideas come from just pedaling for exercise sake. And just deep in thought, you know, but there's no phone calls, there's no distractions. It's just you and your brain. I did triathlons 20 odd years ago, when I was trying to get fit, and it worked. And but you know, swimming in the pool along that black line, just falling that black line up. But now, it's amazing how your mind actually can open up to you know, so are you right for meditation, proper meditation, I couldn't sit for three minutes trying to meditate. I have ADHD is not going to happen. So I meditate when I'm active and actually doing some things you know, so that's how I relay the


Bethany Londyn 9:05

way I've done 13 half Iron Man's Half Ironman, but not in like, a decade probably no, yeah, they had workout. Yes, but it's like, let's finish you finish you're like I can do anything.


Scotty Schindler 9:22

Why? I really struggled in the running the Half Ironman, and I remember I remember the people running past me and I'm thinking oh man, they look like they're in so much pain, but they were going past I must have looked so


Bethany Londyn 9:38

oh my gosh, and then Pete Yeah, the people that would pass me I'm like what I swear I'm in better shape than you but apparently not. And that I mean tangent but like, my best time was the time I trained the least. But it was a I did mental training. And I yeah, I like crushed it. I was like talking to people Oh, breathe uneasy, like no big deal. And I had so much fun. And I'm like, wow, I hardly been trained this time. But back to you back to you. So Okay, how about your childhood? Is there something growing up that led you to be? You know, the successful businessman?


Scotty Schindler 10:21

Good question. And I'm gonna say, all of it. I didn't grow up in poverty, but I was pretty close to it. Which man, if it was to be it was up to me. And I had to go and do things. So looking, I actually just did a post today. It's interesting, you asked that question. I did a posted a photo today on LinkedIn where I was different to all the other kids. So I had to hand me down clothes, I didn't have the same color shirt as everyone else. There's was a light blue one was a dark blue. You know, I was just different to the other kids. And they treated me different to so you know, when I got to high school actually walked around for the first year or so. Almost two years, just you know that that kid that walks around the school on their own? Well, that was me. So talk about being independent. So being independent as an adult, and not having to listen to people's opinions when it came to, I want to do something, when people started telling me, Oh, you shouldn't be doing this, or you shouldn't be doing that. I was independent. So that independence from I guess, being different as a kid growing up. I'm not gonna say it was the reason why I succeeded. I would have much rather had some friends. I was the same person.


Bethany Londyn 11:35

Yeah, I was gonna say my first thought would be alone. And you're using the word independent, which is very forwarding language, which I love. But did you feel lonely at times, then?


Scotty Schindler 11:45

Gosh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But it created independence, right? It did created that sense. You know, like I said, at the first if it's to be, it's up to me, I mean, I have to make things work. And no one else is going to help me or do it for me, or encourage me or motivate me. So I had to do it. The funny thing was, I started surfing. So we go back to the surfing analogy. So I started surfing when I was in year eight. And by year nine, I was one of the best surfers. So all of a sudden, people wanted to know me. All of a sudden, I was accepted into people's areas. And people were invited me to things and all of a sudden, I was one of the cool kids. But before that I didn't have an identity, I didn't have a personality, I was the same person. But once I got good at sport, then people wanted to know me. So I'm also very skeptical of people too, because the same people that wanted to know me then didn't want to know me two years ago, and I knew the reasons I knew deep down. So you know, I was also very What do you call it protective, personally protective. You talk about feeling alone, even within a group, I still felt alone, but it created that independence it created that, you know, call it grit and determination to look after yourself from adversity. So yeah, you talk about what


Bethany Londyn 13:03

you didn't have to get in. You didn't have to fit in to meet certain standards, because you were already whatever feeling outcasts independent. Yeah. And yeah. Okay. Love that. And any brothers or sisters or anything like


Scotty Schindler 13:18

that? I do. I have an older sister, and two younger sisters. So all different dads. Okay, so I never got to I, I sort of vaguely remember my dad, but I never really got to meet my dad.


Bethany Londyn 13:36

Oh, that's interesting. So do you feel like you had to be like the man of the house or any of that?


Scotty Schindler 13:42

No, not really. No, I didn't feel like I'd be the man of the house. No, not really. Yeah. I probably was, but I didn't really feel an obligation. I didn't really feel that the house wasn't the oldest one either. I was the second second boom. So I had two younger sisters. So older sister was pretty wild. Didn't fall far from the tree. And she left when she was 16. And I did I did look after my little sisters. You know, they were little uh, so I was the babysitter and things like that. That's just happened. It happened naturally. Right. But I didn't feel an obligation to be the man of the house. It was just yeah. Just sisters growing up. Going the best we could. Okay.


Bethany Londyn 14:27

So fast forward. You're, you know, an amazing surfer getting through high school and then and then what did you go to college?


Scotty Schindler 14:36

No. No, I left school started working when I was 18. I wanted to get into I wanted to get into business of some sort. I didn't know what or how I ended up getting a job. I made windows and flyscreens for the first year straight out of school. So when I was 17 when I was 18. I got a job selling insurance. I'm with an American Insurance company in Australia. And I did that for nearly 10 years. In fact, it was 10 years. Then I then will left that in 2000 in March 2000, to start a business of some sort. I had no idea but I wanted to get into it. That's all I knew, I want to do something to do with it. And then, in April 2000, there was a big.com, crash stock market crash, some people remember it, some people won't do give you an idea. Amazon shares at the time, were 95 cents, they went back down to five cents at the time. Missed out. Well, you know, I know they're shuffled everything around now. But you know, a few months ago, there were $3,300 a share, they've now splitting. So it's completely different. To give you an idea, so I'm thinking, Oh, here I am. I've left a job for 10 years. I'm thinking about starting a business or trying to start a business or wanting to get into this it space. And the whole technology sector crashed, companies went broke, just literally evaporated. Because there was no confidence in the IT sector at that time. Funny how things changed, though, right?


Bethany Londyn 16:09

You're like, no, no, you know, the universe is like, no, don't do this. But you're like, No, I'm gonna do it. What was the


Scotty Schindler 16:16

Yeah, well, I saw it as a smart way to build business through technology. So our server is a smart way to duplicate myself. So I could write some code or I could write some software once and get paid for it twice. So I can do something once and get to reuse that over and over again, not only the software, but you know, everything about that company that I built was using time duplication. Everything was duplicatable, scalable, and duplicatable. So that's why I wanted to do it.


Bethany Londyn 16:46

So was it for the money,


Scotty Schindler 16:50

definitely for building a business 100% was to be able to work smarter, I wanted to be able to, in this chapter, even that was 20 years ago now. But in this chapter, I really, really wanted to be able to have a smart business that I could build my own redundancy, and it would keep growing without me, with or without me, the business would operate. So I'd do something once get paid twice. Before it was called Software as a Service. I was doing software as a service, I was renting the software. So there was resistance for that sort of thing. People wanted to buy the software and I'd go no, you can't buy it, you have to rent it. Now it's not called renting. It's called Software as a Service. So it was a lot of resistance around in the early days, because it was a different model. But for me that model was a duplicatable scale model, you know, now called subscript


Bethany Londyn 17:39

pioneer in the SAS. Some people


Scotty Schindler 17:41

say I was a trailblazer. But you know, at the time, it didn't feel like it at the time. It actually felt like I missed the market.


Bethany Londyn 17:49

Got it? Yeah. Wow. So okay, so you wanted to build a business? You like the idea of being duplicated, or triplicated. However, you say it a million times over? And was exciting to like, what was the emotions happening there? I'm just curious. Because obviously, you said two years, it didn't. It's not like an overnight thing.


Scotty Schindler 18:13

Well, it took nearly four years before I realized at a company. So if you want to go through the emotional roller coaster, after the first year, I had three attempts at a business, and they didn't really work. When I say didn't work, I didn't get a lot of traction. I was making some money, but I was I was losing confidence. And so was my wife. She was saying, you know, like, maybe you should get a real job. Yeah, so I started looking for work and jobs at the start of 2001. So I filled out some job application forms. And I sort of thought maybe I need to get a job. And the funny thing is, not only did I not get a job, I never even got a job interview. So I was forced to keep going down the path. So it's funny how in life,


Bethany Londyn 18:57

everything happens for a reason. Your lead Yeah.


Scotty Schindler 19:01

So then in May 2001, I bought a book on programming. So I started in writing some some, you know, what we now know as cloud software. So I started writing some software that was server side instead of just websites that was much more deeper and much more where I wanted to go. And that's what started that whole process of Rinette. And then that started working. So you know, at three more attempts, I tried to real estate software solution I try to carry yard software solution, I tried an accommodation software solution. Now all three worked with the real estate one was the one that got traction, so the other two never took off, mainly because I let them go. But I did take six attempts all up defined Rena. And then in February 2002, I started reading it, but then that was only the start. I then had to prove it and make it into a business. And by the end of 2000 or September 2003 really was the last time I knocked on a door. So I didn't knock on a door to try and sell it anymore. I had two staff members, and I was hiring more. And all of a sudden it was running. So that sort of journey took four years of wanting to quit trying, trying new things, building up the business, investing back in the business, all those emotional things that happened. But


Bethany Londyn 20:23

you all one, were you all one person. Show it that doing that, like you were doing some coding and everything on your own.


Scotty Schindler 20:33

I hired the first I hired the first employees in April 2003. Easter. So I hired two people in April 2003. And then by the end of that year, I knew I was a company now. Yeah, so that journey took nearly four years all up. So $2,000 a month, let's do 2003 Almost all of it. So nearly four years from leaving a business or leaving a job to now I've actually got a company now, by now have something. And it was exciting. I loved it. I was totally addicted to it. If I was awake, I was working sort of thing. Even in the surf, you talk about meditating, and we spoke about their break away. But I'm still thinking of work. I'm still thinking of solutions was a great balance. But yeah, if you're awake, and it's your own company, you're gonna be thinking of it all day.


Bethany Londyn 21:23

Yes, yes. Okay, so were you getting like any? Because that I mean, that's kind of a long period of time. And you You were trying different routes with the different versions with real estate in the other avenues. Were people supportive of this progress? Or is it kind of like, high school or something where it was just like, you're, you're leading the path, and everyone's comments can stay aside.


Scotty Schindler 21:51

I was getting sales, people were buying what I was selling. So that okay, that's all the support I needed. Everyone else was just noise or distractions. And I was just focused on the goal. You know, I knew I was doing things differently. I knew it was different. I, you know, I just said, but I want to do it this way. So I had some rules. I had some systems I wanted to follow. And, and those were true to what I needed the company be built like.


Bethany Londyn 22:18

Got it? And is this this is what you're doing now the systems engineer.


Scotty Schindler 22:22

Well, now I'm well, now I'm just sharing those systems for other people so they can follow them, you know, and it's like, it's like the alphabet. So my systems are a bit like the alphabet, there's streetsmart systems this, it's like, you know, the alphabet is ABCD. But you know what you can make your own words, you can use my system of the ABCD, or the five systems, but put it into your business to work smarter. So we've spoken a couple of times now about duplication. So time duplication was a non negotiable part of the business I wanted to start. So that well, let me put it another way, time duplication is the one thing every successful person understands. They duplicate themselves. They duplicate their products, and they duplicate their money. So that system alone was a non negotiable thing for me. So I had to have a business that I could duplicate myself employ more people and so on a product that I could build, be able to resell, resell and resell. And obviously, when I made money, I invested that back into making more money while I slept. So those three in that system are non negotiable. Now you could be you could be in any business, you could be a mechanic or a chef doesn't make any difference. That system is one you can use in your business. Right? No time duplication. In the book, I write about it, don't get me wrong, I do write about and say, Well, this is why it's so important. You need to be able to do it. Now some people can manage to do one of the three, a few people too, but not many achieve all three in a great way. But if you can get all three. So you've got people working and doing things for you. You've got products, you're building once and getting paid over and over again for and you're making money while you're sleep. Well, then you've got whatever your definition, whatever your definition of success is, you've achieved it now. It's just a matter of how much of it do you want?


Bethany Londyn 24:19

Right, right. Well, it sounds Yeah, I mean, it's like, kind of building your own rule of code to abide by, or whatever the rules are, you know, that's kind of my take away even though you have a specific one that's in the book, which we'll find out when they're out. We'll have you back on. Book is, it's finished? Well, I've got Yes.


Scotty Schindler 24:47

So that's the book fair. I just released it independently or self published or whatever you call it. There you go. Yeah. The five systems of successful people. That's business judo, time duplication, the businesses earn the rule of 100, and sugar and crane. And I had all those systems. Before I started the company, all I did over that journey was use those systems to build the business. And you know, it's funny, when I sold the business, you talk about these moments of clarity. And we speak about the sort of thing, your highest self and so on, which I'm a big believer in your higher self, right, your intuition is. That's another subject for another day. But anyway, I was lying in bed one day, and I realized that all the things I tried to do in 2000, to start the business worked as a big win. Wow. So I actually pulled that off, I went full cycle from, from from concept, to starting it to building it, and then exiting from it successfully. I went, Wow, that's pretty cool. And then I then I got asked to speak for Google, at their Startup Grind series. And I spoke about two things that that which was business judo, and time duplication. And that's when I realized people liked the way I put things, straight, smart ways of putting it, not academic, anyone can follow it. Anyone can use it, and leverage off it to whatever it is they want to achieve.


Bethany Londyn 26:13

A lot love it. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, I'll have to check out the book. I didn't know you just released a book. This shows how well I knew this guy before I get on.


Scotty Schindler 26:24

I told them like peeling an onion, just there's just so many layers, right?


Bethany Londyn 26:27

Just keep going. Intuition. I mean, that's what I do. That's all that's all. I mean, I'm like intuitively supporting my clients and supporting them and increasing their intuition. So


Scotty Schindler 26:39

that's a huge fan of intuition. gut instincts, intuition. It's just something everyone should follow.


Bethany Londyn 26:45

Yeah, yeah. And listen to you and get to clear the noise, which I think you're pretty phenomenal with if you're spending, you know, 30 on your face versus seven hours. On the ocean. I mean, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm curious, because you were kind of led. Did you notice that theme throughout that the leading the kind of the guidance, like you weren't able to find the job? And then you're like, Okay, didn't even get a job interview, I'm going to take on this myself and learn coding.


Scotty Schindler 27:20

So what's the question?


Bethany Londyn 27:21

If you like, looking back? I'm curious if you noticed, any sort of like guidance system? Like looking back?


Scotty Schindler 27:28

I Do. Not. Yeah. So if you go back to one of the reasons why I left insurance business, it was because I had a bit of a narcissist guy in that company that I wasn't getting along with. So So bugger this, why am I working for a company? Now, if that hadn't happened? That self intuition, guidance or independence, if that hadn't have happened, I wouldn't have left that job to try on my own. So yes, looking back, all sorts of things guided me to where I got to at the end. Sometimes, you know, whose was it luck? Or is it? Is it just following my gut instincts and intuition? And I really don't have a firm answer for that. But I do know that I was very goal orientated. So I'd say, Okay, I think there's something better out there. And I would try and find the better things to do. And I hugely goal orientated, big believer in planning for the future, and thinking about what it is you want to do and who you want to be in five years time or 10 years time, and then working backwards towards that, you know, so I don't want to get what I'm given. I want to make happen, what I want to have happen. And there's a big difference. Big difference, you know, who do you want to be in five years time will create that life. It helps you make better decisions along the way, and not listen to the noise.


Bethany Londyn 28:47

Yeah, well, yeah. And you're more responsible. You're in the being responsible and creative. You're in the Creator mode of it versus reactive.


Scotty Schindler 28:55

Yeah, absolutely. Just tell you, just to give you a bit of a I had a really big life changing moment in 2000. In other words, what I did in 2000, was I had a complete life reset, talk about a midlife crisis, and I was like 27. So what I did was I felt like everything owned me at the time. So potentially, this is some of the things for your marketplace. But what I did was I actually did a complete reset, I sold everything I owned, I quit my job and did a complete life reset. I said, it's never gonna be like that, again. You talk about an epiphany, like it was completely an epiphany. That epiphany took a few years to execute, but it was 2000 when I executed it done. Nothing was ever going to own me again. I was going to be in full control of everything from that moment onwards. Now most people thought I was going broke. Most people thought I'd lost it and know what it was was a complete reset. So I had two houses. I sold one house so I could pay out the other house. But the nice car we owned sold the furniture we owned sold everything. I said, I'm doing a complete reset, I actually had a burn off. So I had one night at the back of the house we had, and I burned every trophy I ever earned or achieved, or had, I had a big burn off. That was the old Scott, the new Scott going forward, nothing owns him again. And that was pretty ballsy looking back on it. But that story, you talk about an epiphany or following your gut instincts, or your higher self, this was going to be a new Scott, I had to get rid of the old burn the bridges and move forward. Now most people don't have the courage to do that. And I probably wouldn't recommend it either, by the way, but the way you do it is up to you. But you still need to go, Who am I going to be in five or 10 years time? If I keep doing what I'm doing now? What am I going to look like? Well, I need to fix that. If that's not going to be the person I want to be? Is it the career or the lifestyle? Your health? What do you need to fix it? You can't keep beat your head against a brick wall expecting to knock it down.


Bethany Londyn 31:02

You created your own wake up call. Yeah. Instead of something like catastrophic happening. It's like Nope, this is happening. I'm gonna make.


Scotty Schindler 31:12

It wasn't for me. It was like, but I'm, I'm doing it. I don't care about anyone else. You go back to that independence when you're growing up. I was lucky I had that at the time. It didn't feel it. But you know, in hindsight, looking back, I'm blessed. I didn't have to prove anything to anyone else. Just myself.


Bethany Londyn 31:31

Totally. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, it's


Scotty Schindler 31:35

a bit freaky. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. But it's a true story.


Bethany Londyn 31:39

I actually I just burned I didn't do that. But I did sell almost everything and restart, kind of but not in work. And I still am doing the same thing. But it was just like a 2020 thing. Yeah. I think it happened for a lot of people.


Scotty Schindler 31:53

Yeah. And that got forced upon a lot of people to reflect and go, Oh, well, you know, now that now that everything's changed, it's time to change. It's a perfect segue right now to be that person. You want to be in change?


Bethany Londyn 32:08

I agree. I agree. I love it. Oh, my goodness. So juicy. So juicy. And yes, on brand with the fire burning and clearing. And


Scotty Schindler 32:20

yeah, people will do it in different ways. People will quit their jobs and travel in a caravan for six months, whatever it is, but have that transition that there's going to be a new you. You know, yeah, that was just part of it. For me, selling everything. The burn off was just part of that cleansing process to move forward.


Bethany Londyn 32:38

Make make sense. So okay, so I always like to end the podcast with what are your What are three tools in your tool belt? are three keys to quantum leaping for other people? I mean, we've been kind of deciphering it. But


Scotty Schindler 32:55

what do you get free stuff? Well, firstly, to Quantum Leap, where you are to where you want to go, you have to know what that is. So if you're not clear on if you're 30, and you're not clear on what you want to do, when you're 40, and who you want to beat as a 40 year old, you're not going to get there. If you're 40, and you're not clear what it's going to look like at 50, you're not going to get there. And if you're 50, you're not clear on what you're gonna look like at 60, who you are, what you're doing your lifestyle, your health, you need to be clear on that. And if you're 20 right now, you're lucky because you can think about well as a 30 year old, what do I want to do, as a 40 year old as a 50 year old as a maybe a 60 year old, it might seem like a long way away. But if you don't know who you are and what you want, you'll end up getting given what you're given. So if you want to Quantum Leap, everything, be a little bit certain about who you want to be and where you want to be. So for me, I was lucky I did that. So as a as a young kid, I had an idea of what I wanted to be like when I was 30. And that was to be business owner of some sort. So when does it make sense? I thought as 40 year old to be successful, a lot of people think they're going to be retired by the time they're 45. You know, what turns out, I was one of them. And I did so I was lucky, I managed to achieve it. So that's the first thing set goals. The second thing is the balance in life. So you've got to have balance. So the mantra that I came up with in in 1997 was healthy, wealthy and wise. So everything I was going to do as I move forward was strive for healthy, wealthy and wise. Like I said, that was a mantra. I came up with that because of a bit of a midlife crisis when I was 27 and I went well. From now on I'm gonna be smart, you know, healthy, mentally, physically, emotionally wealthy, for the same things not just financially and wise, make smart decisions and balance life out. You know, it's no good being the richest guy in the cemetery. It's no good having the most toys and not enjoying life. So you've got to be able to get balanced in life. Work hard. It worked for the right reasons work smarter. Think about time duplication or business Judo to perfect examples. Work smarter. So that's the second. And the third. Well, what can I give for the third? Probably, probably one of the reasons why I managed to retire early was because I first thought I had that moment of clarity and that transition. But I also avoided a thing called wealth, erosion. So in other words, I didn't buy things I didn't need with money, I didn't have to impress people I didn't like. So I was very careful of wealth, erosion. That's part of that wise bid for healthy, wealthy and wise balance. But I also made sure that I made smart decisions, you know, when other people were buying those things, I was going Yeah, but I don't think it's very wise, when other people were doing that. And but that's not really going to fit into my, who I want to be and where I want to be, you know, so you go through the financial stages where you know, you're financially secure, you got a job, blah, blah, blah, financially wealthy or financially independent. You go through the stages, and I had this clear vision of what financial independence was like. And then financially wealthy, I knew what that was going to look like for me. So probably the thing that did set me up more than anything else was avoiding financial erosion.



Bethany Londyn 36:26

All right, I am curious based on the first one the goals, because you are such a Yeah, vision and goal oriented person, and you have the the five year the 10. Year, I'm curious if average, or nor if it's the norm for you to accomplish the goals within that timeframe, or sooner because you are so dedicated to them.


Scotty Schindler 36:49

Surprisingly enough, I do achieve a lot of my goals. Nothing ever works out perfectly. But you know, a lot of my goals are action based goals, not so much result based goals anyway, you know, I have an idea of what I want to look like. And if all these actions work, if all these actions come off, the results will be there. So I'm very big on action based goals.


Bethany Londyn 37:08

Can you give me an What is an example of an action based goal?


Scotty Schindler 37:11

Well, here's one action was to do the book, the result? I know if I'm going to sell 1000 or 10,000, or 100,000. Right? That makes sense. Okay, I can't guarantee the result, I can't guarantee my best selling author, but I do know, I can write the book, I can do the action. You know, same as same as training for your half Ironman, which you did, doesn't have, right. So at the end of the day, you can't, I want to beat five hours. Well, you can't necessarily put that down as a goal. Even though you can, you can't guarantee it. But what you can do is your training, your preparation, your mental activity, you can you can guarantee your preparation, you can guarantee your training, you know, so your bikes ready, you've got your gear, you've hydrated before the day, you can do all those things as part of your goal. What happens on the day could be completely different could get a flat tire, anything can go wrong. So you can't guarantee results. But I know that if you do all the actions, you are going to achieve a lot of your goals, and you're probably gonna actually achieve a lot more than you think. So action orientated goals is the most important goal of all.


Bethany Londyn 38:19

Never ever heard of this before. I love it. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.


Scotty Schindler 38:27

That's right. You're welcome. But yeah, it's I love sharing. There's lots of people out there, and I wish I'd have known some of this stuff when I was younger. And today with the ability to be able to share like you are with your audience, Bethany is there's people that now that will get inspired, motivated, and there will be a lot more able to achieve things that we couldn't 30 years ago.


Bethany Londyn 38:48

Yeah. And they're gonna start creating action goals.


Scotty Schindler 38:53

action orientated goals. You know, a lot of people set result based goals, the car, the house, yeah, they're just dams and results. They are rewards. And I'm all for rewards like, No, I'm not saying don't set a goal for a car. But that's a reward. It's not really the goal. You know?


Bethany Londyn 39:10

Yeah. No, I like that. Because, also, I mean, total kind of tangent, but it's like you did the book, right? You accomplish writing the book, and then what it's like, and then what, right? I feel like when I have finished some of my big goals, or accomplishments, it was there was this kind of like, now know what, like, it wasn't a high.


Scotty Schindler 39:33

But and, you know, yes, and no, sometimes rightly so. Because it's just part of the process. But other times, other times, it's important, and that's why I have this in the system. 1357 That's why I have smarter goals. You've heard of SMART goals. Specific, Measurable, Achievable, and time bound, realistic, realistic time bound. The AI stands for evaluate and reward. You've got to reward yourself whether it's Just to sit down and a cup of coffee, go cool, that job's done. Or it's some other celebration, you do need to reward yourself. And for some people that is a car or a boat, or whatever it is, but you do need to, you know, the R stands for a few things, reward, reset. All sorts of things,


Bethany Londyn 40:20

all sorts of things. My dog is doing circles. Usually he just laid down for everything. He's like, You got goals, SMART goals, action.


Scotty Schindler 40:34

The end of the day, that's when I when I sold the business, and I retired and everything. Someone said to me, Oh, you're not really retired? I said, Yeah, true. I'm just achieving a bunch more goals, right? Just my goals have changed. And the the necessity and the burning desire that need to achieve those goals is a lot more reduced. But you know, when I'm when I'm writing books, or I'm speaking in front of an audience, they're just goals. That's all they are. I've just said, and I thought about that. Hang on a minute. Yeah, it's actually all I've done all my life is just set goals. That's all I've done. So you know, whether it was learning how to surf, or whether it was creating the company, it was just achieving goals. You know, and as an example of action based goals, I did a trifle on but in surfing, I could go out and have the best surf in my life in a competition and come and be really happy. But still be for someone else just had a better set. You know, so I can't guarantee when even if I do the best I possibly can. Same as the Olympic swimmers they get they could do a personal best in the Olympics. Still come in second. Yeah, which is a bummer. But you know what, it's still they've achieved everything they've ever wanted to achieve. And really, when you look at that, that's what it's all about. And that's why action based goals, as opposed to reward based goals are way better? One,


Bethany Londyn 42:00

one final question. One final question is have you keep making me think of more question? Do you read your goals regularly? Do I what? Do you read them? Like? Do you look at them? Are they on like some dry erase board that you're looking at all the time or off to the side?


Scotty Schindler 42:19

A lot of people have vision boards? And I don't know, I don't have one of them. But I'm all for a vision board. If that's what you need to keep the goals in front of you do it. So here's the reality, right? So with goal setting, you write it down, you plan it out. You tell people about it, you involve people, and then you take action. There's the five step formula to achieving your goals. The reality is, it's achieved in reverse. You take action, you involve people, you tell people, you plan it and write it. It's actually achieved in reverse. So action is the number one thing. So doing something, having a vision board is irrelevant. Really, unless you're going to do something about those goals.


Bethany Londyn 43:03

Well, I think part of it is owning it. Yeah. Oh, like, these are my goals in life. But you're kind of cementing that.


Scotty Schindler 43:11

Yep. All for it. I'm a huge fan of vision boards. Absolutely. I think they're a great idea. I've been in winning to a friend's house and he painted a wall just in chalk. So they had chalkboard up. And they wrote all the goals and what they wanted to do and, and all these ideas on the chalkboard I said, fantastic. Hallelujah. If that's what you want to do. I'm 100% for but everyone's different. So some people don't like writing it down. But as long as it's a driver for you, and you're taking the action, right? Most important bit anyway.


Bethany Londyn 43:43

Yeah. And you're just all about the action. So all about


Scotty Schindler 43:47

action. Love it. Well, I could have a goal of doing a triathlon. But let's I started doing some swimming, some writing and some running. I'm never gonna complete a triathlon.


Bethany Londyn 43:57

Totally, totally. Exactly. Oh, my goodness. Well, thank you. Thank you so much for joining me this morning, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah, he's in you're in Australia or New Zealand, Australia, Australia. So joining us all the way from Australia to LA I love it. The beauty of technology.


Scotty Schindler 44:18

It's wonderful thing, isn't it? You know, yeah. The book is actually selling the most in America. Oh, that's where the biggest amount of sales have come from over there. So it's because the beautiful thing about what I like about for a start, I worked for an American Insurance Company for 10 years, right. And it was all about goal setting and motivation, which was perfect for me. But I love I love how the Americans all want to succeed. They all want to work smarter. They all want that sort of thing. Now, you probably don't know what I'm talking about because you're not in Australia. But there's so much success over there and people want to achieve things and they go getters they really are a lot of them. And that's why that's why I'm super happy that the American market has liked the five systems. It's it's been very validating for me that they relate to it. So I'm pretty happy about that. And yeah, hopefully next year, we'll get to go over there and do some speaking as well. So


Bethany Londyn 45:16

lots of speaking for sure. Lots of travel. Yeah, absolutely. Amazing. Well, thank you again, so much. I'm going to link your book your website, well, is there anywhere else that for people, just,


Scotty Schindler 45:32

I do stuff on LinkedIn, people go to the website learn. And just so you know, by the way, Bethany, I got nothing to sell. In that sense. I share all this information when people love the book, because it's condensed, and it's specific. But I've got like, 200 Odd videos for free on system 1357 That people can go and watch. Where? System 135 seven.com Oh, all right, login, go watch the videos. They're all free. So I think there's 250 videos on there, that people can go and watch and look at and learn. And all the ideas that I've got, and people do every day. There's people watching them all the time, and doesn't cost anything. Well, for me, it's my philanthropic way of giving back to the people out there that want to achieve something I wish I had have had some of that when I was younger. So now I just give it away.


Bethany Londyn 46:24

Beautiful. Cool, so I'll leave that to link it all. Amazing. You're so inspiring. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us this morning, my nighttime and filling us up with your cup of wins wisdom. And literally like that. Yeah, I know. In the actionable goals, actionable, that's like, that's what's really landing for me right now.


Scotty Schindler 46:55

How would I recommend based goals? action based? Can


Bethany Londyn 46:58

I rewrite them though? That's, that's the next step. So it sounds like a fun adventure.


Scotty Schindler 47:04

Yeah. Well, what if I've helped you in that way today? Yeah, super happy.


Bethany Londyn 47:09

Yes. Yeah. So So yeah, I'm inspired, give it a shot. I'm curious what comes out of it. Um, to keep you posted?


Scotty Schindler 47:19

Well, like I said, just think about your triathlon days, you know, you, you're focused on the training and what was needed to achieve the goal, those actions and what got you there, it's the same in business, it's the same everywhere. Like in sales, if you if you want to sell some, if you want to sell some of your product, or to some people, you've got a strike, right, you may need to talk to 100 people this year, you know, so you need to go and talk to 100 people, if you're not talking to 100 people, you want to achieve the 30 sales you need, if that's an example, or it could be 1000 for 300 sales, or it could be 10,000 for 3000 sales as an example. If you don't do the actions, you're not going to get any sales. If you're not prospecting and talking to people in your business, for example, or you might run a major organization, or we need some lead. Well, if you're not doing leadership training, there's no you're not gonna get better leadership. You want better leaders, that's an outcome. It's the training is the actions that create better leaders. It's the training, training training.


Bethany Londyn 48:16

All right. There you have it, the juicy goodness with Scotty Schindler street smart entrepreneur. Thank you.


Scotty Schindler 48:25

You're welcome.


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